Minutes of Study Group Meeting, 2018-06-04

Meeting called to order: 11:09 AM EDT

The slide references relate to the pack used during this meeting, located here: http://files.sjtag.org/StudyGroup/SG_Meeting_37.pdf

Brad moved to accept the agenda as proposed, seconded by Jon.

1. Roll Call

Ian McIntosh (Leonardo MW Ltd.)
Bill Eklow (Retired) (joined 11:41)
Brian Erickson (JTAG Technologies)
Peter Horwood (Firecron Ltd.)
Bill Huynh (Marvell Inc.)
Joel Irby (ARM)
Naveen Srivastava (Nvidia)
Jon Stewart (Dell)
Brad Van Treuren (Nokia)
Russell Shannon (NAVAIR Lakehurst)
Louis Ungar (ATE Solutions)

By email (non-attendees):
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Excused:
Terry Duepner (National Instruments)
Eric Cormack (DFT Solutions)
Carl Walker (Cisco Systems)
Sivakumar Vijayakumar (Keysight)

2. IEEE Patent Slides

  • {Slides 5-9}
  • Patent slides reviewed, no comments.

3. Review and Approve Previous Minutes

  • {Slide 10}
  • May 21 (draft circulated May 21)
    • No corrections noted.
    • Brad moved to approve, Brian seconded.
    • No objections or abstentions → minutes approved.

4. Review Open Action Items

  • {Slide 11}
  • [21.1] Brad: Supply Ian with glossary definitions used by 1687.1 for "transformation" and "retargeting".
    • No updates.
    • ONGOING.
  • [27.2] Legacy Initiative Group to propose definition for "SJTAG".
    • No updates.
    • ONGOING
  • [36.1] All: Work up draft wording of Need prior to June 4 meeting.

5. Discussion Topics

a) Review PAR Need suggested text(s).

  • {Slide12 - Outline plan}
  • Reminder of "plan" for getting PAR submission ready.
  • Need to defer voting on acceptance until next week, at least.
  • Slides in the pack were quickly previewed:
    • {Slides 13, 14 - Draft Need - proposed text and updates via forum}
    • {Slide 15 - Need, pre-Study Group}
    • {Slides 16, 17, 18 - Collated comments}
    • {Slide 19 - Draft Scope}
    • {Slide 20 - Draft Purpose}
  • Discussion centred on Slide 14, the current draft with all forum suggestions incorporated.
    • Remove comma after "aggregate" as it is being used as an adjective applying to "management and coordination".
    • "Tools" may be ambiguous and "instruments" possibly even more so. "Tools" aimed to include things like software tools - may not be an easier way to describe them. An instrument could include a single bit register, although it could be said that the register(s) may just be a portal to the instrument. 1687 has a particular way of describing instrument registers. Arguably, the data register is not what we mean by "instrument". Does that imply we should avoid mentioning "instruments" if registers are what we're accessing? Or does that become more confusing?
    • {Brad created new slide to capture revisions}
    • Proposed rewording of second paragraph proposed. Felt to be missing the concepts of aggregation and coordination, the sense of bringing things together, so that was added. Embedded applications acknowledged by adding a further sentence.
    • Third paragraph condensed to make it a more concise "wrap-up", moving the references to "dependencies and constraints" to the second paragraph.
  • Scope {Slide19} and Purpose {slide 20} presented as  reminders. In Purpose, there may still be a question about the use of the word "devices".
  • Probably need to put current versions of Scope, Purpose and Need onto a single forum post so that they are easier to review. The PAR form presents these in the order Scope, Purpose, Need, so in some ways the high level overview comes last. Adam Ley had posted a link on the forums to a rendering of the PAR form for reference: http://files.sjtag.org/PAR/IEEE%20Standards%20Association%20-%20Submit%20a%20PAR%20-%20form%20with%20all%20instructions.pdf {Post-meeting note: We should also identify "Stakeholders" per 5.6 of the PAR}.
  • Modified slide created by Brad is available here: http://files.sjtag.org/StudyGroup/SG_Meeting_37_bgvtsingleslide.pdf.
  • Post including Scope, Purpose and Need is here: http://forums.sjtag.org/viewtopic.php?p=1358#p1358.

6. Today's Key Takeaways

  • {Slide 21}
  • Agreeable position reached on "Need".

7. Glossary Terms from This Meeting

  • None. "Instrument" questioned: We already have an entry for this (http://wiki.sjtag.org/index.php?title=Glossary:Instrument) which has a general definition and a specific 1687 definition - we probably need both.
  • Carried over:
    • "Interface" is missing.
      • No obvious IEEE accepted definition.
      • 1687 has definitions for specialised forms: Device Interface and Instrument Interface.
      • We may need specialised forms for Software Interface and Hardware Interface.
    • 1687.1: Transformation, Retargetting.
    • IEEE 1856: Sense - "Sensor" done, Acquire, Analyze not really defined.
    • SJTAG: Discussion on forums - http://forums.sjtag.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=782
    • Device - do we mean a packaged device? May be many devices in a package (1149.1 opted for "entity" in order to be non-specific).

8. Topic for next meeting

  • Review any feedback on Scope, Purpose and Need from forums (http://forums.sjtag.org/viewtopic.php?p=1358#p1358).
  • Start process of voting on acceptance, probably using an email vote.
    • This will be a formal vote so we follow the Policies and Procedures of the P1838 WG (TTSC's recommendation as guidance for the study group)(http://files.sjtag.org/StudyGroup/WGP1838-PnP-v15.pdf). Key points of this are:
      • Eligibility to vote requires that members have attended at least three from the five most recent meetings.
      • "Attendance" at a meeting means having been present at the meeting for at least 50% of its recorded duration.
    • Voting period will run from June 11 meeting to June 18 meeting.

9. Schedule next meeting

  • June 11.
    • Terry and Joel absent.

10. Reminders

11. Any Other Business

  • There is an open invitation to present at ITC. We probably don't have time or material to offer a full paper, but we may be in a position to show something meaningful around ITC time.

12. List New Action Items

  • None.

13. Adjourn

  • Peter moved to adjourn, seconded by Brad.
  • Meeting adjourned at 12:07 PM EDT

Respectfully submitted,
Ian McIntosh