Minutes of Post-Study Group Meeting, 2018-07-23

Meeting called to order: 11:05 AM EDT

The slide references relate to the pack used during this meeting, located here: http://files.sjtag.org/PostStudyGroup/PSG_Meeting_1.pdf

Brad moved to accept the agenda as proposed, seconded by Brian.

1. Roll Call

Ian McIntosh (Leonardo)
Heiko Ehrenberg (GOEPEL Electronics)
Eric Cormack (DFT Solutions)
Terry Duepner (National Instruments)
Bill Eklow (Retired)
Brian Erickson (JTAG Technologies)
Peter Horwood (Firecron Ltd.)
Bill Huynh (Marvell Inc.)
Joel Irby (ARM) (joined 11:07)
Adam W. Ley (ASSET Intertech) (joined 11:35)
Jon Stewart (Dell)
Brad Van Treuren (Nokia) (joined 11:07)
Carl Walker (Cisco Systems)
Dilipan Jayachandran (SEL Inc.)
Craig Stephan (INTELLITECH Inc.)
Louis Ungar (ATE Solutions)
Gregory Zucaro (NAVAIR Lakehurst)

By email (non-attendees):


2. IEEE Patent Slides

  • {Slides 5-9}
  • Patent slides reviewed, no comments.

3. Review and Approve Previous Minutes

  • {Slide 10}
  • July 2 (draft circulated July 2)
    • Previously approved with no corrections noted.
    • Joel moved to approve, Terry seconded.
    • Eight additional approvals, no objections, one abstention → minutes approved.

4. Review Open Action Items

  • {Slide 11}
  • [21.1] Brad: Supply Ian with glossary definitions used by 1687.1 for "transformation" and "retargeting".
    • No updates.
    • ONGOING.
  • [27.2] Legacy Initiative Group to propose definition for "SJTAG".
    • No updates.
  • These may need to be carried over to a future Working Group.

5. Discussion Topics

a) Feedback from TTSC meeting and next steps.

  • {Slide 12}
  • TTSC granted sponsor approval of the PAR, however the meeting ran out of time so we should probably wait until the meeting concludes its business and agrees actions before advertising anything.
  • Question on what the various committees are: In simple terms, TTSC (Test Technology Standards Council) is our "sponsor" with regard to submissions to IEEE Standards Association. NESCom is the New Standards Committee within IEEE-SA and reviews/approves requests to create new standards, RevCom is the Review Committee and considers the completed draft of the standard for approval.
  • Official figures on the vote aren't available but (from memory) there were 11 Approve votes, 2-4 Abstains and no Rejections.
  • Questions raised by TTSC asked what the standard would actually deliver (hardware?, rules?) and what other topics might be addressed by the peer standards alluded to in the PAR and report (the dot 2, dot 3, etc.).
  • The latter may be a subject that can be looked at while waiting on a Working Group being formed.
  • ITC Poster is something we can deal with. We don't know how quickly we might hear the NESCom outcome, but we don't need that to set out our aims in the poster.
  • Even our narrowed scope is likely to be challenging in the proposed 4 year timescale. P1687.1 is about a year in and still trying to refine its definition, P1838 is working to get into sponsor ballot phase prior to requesting a final extension.  
  • Joel moved that we hold meeting every two weeks until we get NESCom approval, seconded by Eric; no objections, motion carried. To avoid clashing with Labor Day, the next meeting will be August 13, then two weekly thereafter. Anticipate forming a Working Group early in November.

6. Today's Key Takeaways

  • {Slide 13}
  • None.

7. Glossary Terms from This Meeting

  • None.
  • Carried over:
    • "Interface" is missing.
      • No obvious IEEE accepted definition.
      • 1687 has definitions for specialised forms: Device Interface and Instrument Interface.
      • We may need specialised forms for Software Interface and Hardware Interface.
    • 1687.1: Transformation, Retargetting.
    • IEEE 1856: Sense - "Sensor" done, Acquire, Analyze not really defined.
    • SJTAG: Discussion on forums - http://forums.sjtag.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=782
    • Device - do we mean a packaged device? May be many devices in a package (1149.1 opted for "entity" in order to be non-specific).
      • Correction to the above remark: It has been pointed out that 1149.1 actually defines conformance in terms of "component" (c.f. COMPONENT_CONFORMANCE attribute in BSDL), and "entity" only pertains to BSDL where it is simply inherited from VHDL. "Device" is often used as a modifier, e.g. "device package", "device identification".

8. Topic for next meeting

  • ITC Poster.
  • ITC Invited Talk.
    • There is an open slot for this. Bill Eklow has exchanged emails with Joel on this. May be able to get advice from others in the group, and there are Green Papers available. May be useful to show how what we propose might mesh with P1687.1 - see what Jeff Rearick is proposing for his poster.
    • Also IEEE Standards session planned, intend to feature P1687.1 and ATest, all rolled together. Could use that to advertise posters, etc.
  • Schedule of meetings pending NesCom.

9. Schedule next meeting

  • August 13, then every second Monday thereafter.

10. Reminders

  • Think about potential officers, moving towards a Working Group.
    • Further details: https://standards.ieee.org/develop/governedwg.html
    • Note that the Chair and Vice-chair are expected to be IEEE-SA members (they are effectively acting as an arm of the SA). IEEE/SA membership is encouraged for working group members but is in no way a requirement. However, SA membership is required to join the ballot group for approval of a standard.

11. Any Other Business

  • None.

12. List New Action Items

  • None.

13. Adjourn

  • Eric moved to adjourn, seconded by Terry.
  • Meeting adjourned at 11:46 AM EDT

Respectfully submitted,
Ian McIntosh